Kailef
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Vanguard of the leading edge
Posts: 427 
Played SUNDOG on what OS?: Apple
What year did you first play SUNDOG?: 1985 (I think)
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Post by Kailef on Mar 5, 2016 15:44:19 GMT
I'm in the same boat, as much as I like Master of Orion, I kind of dislike the recent trend of paying a bunch of money for a game that isn't ready yet. Pledging money to fund development via Kickstarter in exchange for a bennie of some sort is one thing, but paying full price for an incomplete product, not so much. Just my opinion, though, I'm sure there are compelling arguments to the contrary.
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Jake
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Playtesting the latest build of the game
Posts: 385
Home Planet: Jondd
Played SUNDOG on what OS?: Atari ST
What year did you first play SUNDOG?: 1988
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Post by Jake on Mar 6, 2016 23:02:53 GMT
What's really always impressed me is the fact that computer games have not been hit by inflation over the decades, and have actually become dramatically cheaper today when inflation is adjusted.
What's an average game today... $50 bucks? Maybe $40 if it's on sale? I remember Atari ST games in the late 80s were between 35-50 bucks. Early `90s PC games for my smoking fast x386 were about the same.
Today, those prices are in the ballpark of what a new game costs, though the purchase power of the dollar has shrunk. According to the CPI inflation calculator, $50 in 1985 has the purchase-power of $110.09 today. Kinda amazing, eh? No wonder it was so hard to convince my parents that I wanted...er... NEEDED that hot new computer game all my friends were getting.
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Kailef
BETA MANAGER
Vanguard of the leading edge
Posts: 427
Played SUNDOG on what OS?: Apple
What year did you first play SUNDOG?: 1985 (I think)
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Post by Kailef on Mar 7, 2016 5:33:11 GMT
That's only semi-true, when you look at new games like the latest Star Wars Battlefront and Tom Clancy's Division. Those guys charge you about sixty bucks for the game, but if you actually want to play all of the new content that gets released, you have to either get a "season pass" or buy it all individually. It's about $120 or so to get the full package of Star Wars Battlefront for example, which actually fits with the inflation model you detailed above.
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Jake
Administrator
Playtesting the latest build of the game
Posts: 385
Home Planet: Jondd
Played SUNDOG on what OS?: Atari ST
What year did you first play SUNDOG?: 1988
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Post by Jake on Mar 7, 2016 6:12:46 GMT
Ahhhh so the store price is only part of the cost. Well; 120 bucks is close to the purchase power of 50 bucks in 1985 so at the worst, today's most expensive games and their expansion packs are about the same as their 1980s predecessors. That's good, I suppose.  |
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Post by timothy on Mar 8, 2016 15:51:21 GMT
Just a note on the whole "Master of Orion" thing -- the new one on Steam or GOG for $50 also gets you MoO1,2, & 3, as a bonus! I picked it up and I like the new one, but it needs a bit more tweaks in order to reach MoO1 or MoO2 status. Beautiful game though.
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Post by cephas on Mar 9, 2016 18:11:47 GMT
I am surprised that no one mentioned the Megatraveller games from Paragon Software on these lists. Though my play time of Sundog was limited to a few sessions at a friend's house back in the day, Megatraveller seemed to have a lot of commonality with it in terms of play. Oh, and one cannot forget M.U.L.E. and Ballblazer |
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Kailef
BETA MANAGER
Vanguard of the leading edge
Posts: 427
Played SUNDOG on what OS?: Apple
What year did you first play SUNDOG?: 1985 (I think)
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Post by Kailef on Mar 9, 2016 22:05:58 GMT
I've never heard of "Megatraveller" from Paragon Software. I'll have to look it up!
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Jake
Administrator
Playtesting the latest build of the game
Posts: 385
Home Planet: Jondd
Played SUNDOG on what OS?: Atari ST
What year did you first play SUNDOG?: 1988
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Post by Jake on Mar 9, 2016 22:51:22 GMT
Not sure if these were on the Atari ST platform (which were the games I listed before), but my all time fav Atari 800 games were Archon, M.U.L.E., Defender, Fort Apocalypse, and Fantasyland 2041 A.D.
The last one isn't a commonly seen game, it seems, but I got absolutely sucked into that. Fantasyland had epic scope, fun features, lots of new graphics to explore. It was a HUGE game in the early 80s, and occupied three double-sided diskettes. It's kinda like Westworld or Jurassic Park, where you are in a huge fantasy theme park but you get stuck in there and everything is trying to kill you. There are six "lands" to explore and survive - Congoland, Arabian Adventure, King Arthur, Olympus, Captain Nemo, and Dante's Inferno. I might be tempted to remake that one some day...
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banville
Beta Tester 
Posts: 68
Home Planet: W'orrad
Played SUNDOG on what OS?: Atari ST
What year did you first play SUNDOG?: 1986
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Post by banville on Mar 12, 2016 21:19:42 GMT
My favorite games were the Sierra games! Every birthday my dad would give me a King's, Police, or Space Quest!
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Post by Symoon on Mar 13, 2016 7:13:02 GMT
I am surprised that no one mentioned the Megatraveller games from Paragon Software on these lists. Though my play time of Sundog was limited to a few sessions at a friend's house back in the day, Megatraveller seemed to have a lot of commonality with it in terms of play. I had bought Megtraveller II but never got into it, think I ran it 2 or 3 times only. Was it good? Also, I seem to remember Battletech seemed to be the same kind of game. |
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zed1969
Beta Tester
Posts: 51
Home Planet: Snowball
Played SUNDOG on what OS?: Atari ST
What year did you first play SUNDOG?: 1989
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Post by zed1969 on Mar 14, 2016 3:21:29 GMT
Man dude Fantasyland was an OLD game. WAsnt it monochrome? Good game, tho.
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zedthree
Beta Tester
ST Version Veteran Class of '89. Pad 1, N'ljones Starport, Sosai. Are we there yet?
Posts: 58
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Post by zedthree on Mar 15, 2016 19:38:21 GMT
Hi Guys,
I had a ST520 but went on to a 1040 after about a year or so.
Games I remember taking up all my time:
Sundog
Falcon
F16 Combat Pilot
Carrier Command
Airborne Ranger
Dungeon Master
M1 Tank Platoon
Elite
Millenium 2.2
Defender of The Crown
Not in any particular order and there were many others, but these were the ones I always went back to.
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Kailef
BETA MANAGER
Vanguard of the leading edge
Posts: 427
Played SUNDOG on what OS?: Apple
What year did you first play SUNDOG?: 1985 (I think)
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Post by Kailef on Mar 15, 2016 22:24:53 GMT
I need to repeat one of the games. Anyone ever play Below the Root? I really, really enjoyed that game. Then I read the books and I loved the game even more.
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TechnoLurker
Beta Tester
Posts: 11
Home Planet: W'orrad
Played SUNDOG on what OS?: Atari ST
What year did you first play SUNDOG?: 1988
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Post by TechnoLurker on Mar 16, 2016 22:46:11 GMT
Alternate Reality: The City was one of my favorites. I played it first on the ST, but had a friend who showed me AR: The Dungeon on the old Atari 8-bit (The City's sequel). Another set of good sandbox style games before they coined the term.
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Jake
Administrator
Playtesting the latest build of the game
Posts: 385
Home Planet: Jondd
Played SUNDOG on what OS?: Atari ST
What year did you first play SUNDOG?: 1988
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Post by Jake on Mar 17, 2016 1:43:43 GMT
LOVE THE SANDBOX! lol. I never played that one... Where's my STeem emulator...
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